Larry's Take on Gun Control and Violent Crime
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Introduction
In a comment at WillStarr's hub, CJStone wrote:
"I think I am right in thinking that the murder rate in the US is much higher than in Europe, the problem being that with guns so freely available in your "free" country, it's not only the sane who have access to them, but the insane too. This puts everyone on the defensive, making the sane people feel threatened, and therefore liable to act in an insane way."
CJStone's well-articulated position on civilian ownership of firearms is fairly representative of the perspectives of most British people. As he points out, the specter of crazy people wielding guns in public is not an attractive one. However the prospect of disarming law-abiding citizens, who have a reasonable desire to feel secure in their own homes, is not wonderful either, especially when hard-core violent criminals still have access to Black Market firearms.
To use an Australian expression, let's apply Fair Dinkum to the Gun Control issue.
Extreme restrictions on all firearms?
Gun crime--not to mention knife crime--in Britain has increased appreciably since their government enacted firearms Prohibition for working class people. Cause and effect? I can't be 100% certain about that. However no reasonable person would classify the British experiment as an unqualified success. The prospects for a successful implementation of strict Gun Control in the U.S. are even less favorable, because of our porous Southern border, and because of our traditions, including the beleaguered 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Here's an Einstein quote, which may or may not apply to strict Gun Control legislation in Britain, and to the draconian enforcement thereof:
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."
We're not trying hard enough; we need to redouble our efforts. Yeah, right.
Here's an example where the Einstein quote definitely does apply: the heavily advertised One-Size-Fits-All Diet, which is counterproductive in the long run for the overwhelming majority of overweight people. Obesity is a huge health problem in some of the developed countries. Common sense should tell us that if even one of these programs was safe, effective, and sustainable for most overweight people, there would be a Nobel Prize for the person who created it, or for the medical researcher who validated its usefulness. But when we are in a tizzy about a real or imagined overweight problem, common sense flies out the window.
Returning to the subject at hand, here's an interesting contrast with Britain. Kennesaw, Georgia actively encourages responsible firearms ownership, and they are rated as a safer-than-average American community. But that fact, by itself, does not prove anything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia#Crime_statistics
The Beggar Thy Neighbour Effect is one possible interpretation. Perhaps Kennesaw's reputation encourages criminals to move on to softer targets in nearby communities. It does not necessarily follow that if all American cities emulated Kennesaw, their crime rates would be as low as Kennesaw's. We should always be wary of the Fallacy of Composition.
Isolated statistical snapshots may not be the best way to divine the relationship between lawful firearms ownership and violent crime. Why? Because a correlation between Phenomenon A and Phenomenon B does not necessarily imply causation. Does A cause B, or does B cause A? Or do the two have a common cause?
There are many factors that influence published violent crime stats, including the ways that violent crimes are defined, as well as the proportion of unreported violent crimes. Both of these things vary from country to country. This makes direct international comparisons of violent crime rates difficult. The overall health of the economy is another factor that affects crime rates.
If we have a sufficiently large sample size, we can use statistical methods to tease out the effects of drastic changes in firearms laws on violent crime. But first, I'd like to mention two old sayings, starting with a quote from Mark Twain:
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Yes, when we don't have experience dealing with statistical pitfalls, naked numbers can paint a misleading picture. Notwithstanding Mark Twain's extraordinary wit, I prefer another old saying:
Figures don't lie, but liars sure do figure.
For Gun Control advocates in the U.S., the ' 'bible' on the subject, the Kellermann study, is touted as a conversation-stopper. However the Kellermann study was limited in scope; it emphasized body counts. Hence the legitimate conclusion that could be drawn from the study was more modest than the sweeping claims made by some of Kellerman's followers.
Firearms in the hands of responsible homeowners can deter home invasion robberies without necessarily killing anyone. Example: Sometimes shooting--and missing because of the extreme stress that you're under in the situation--can scare the bad guys away.
Gary Kleck's study, which looked at the bigger picture, came to a different conclusion than the Kellerman study. Grey Winn's hub examines these and other nuances of the available firearms statistics.
http://greywinn.hubpages.com/hub/Gun-Statistics-Are-Not-Simple
We already have a tentative static picture of the effects of firearm ownership on a variety of metrics that reflect self-defense and violent crime in the U.S. A slightly different picture may emerge if we had less restrictive firearms laws, because the gun owners' demographic would change. We need to do more statistical analysis.
Towards that end, we need to consider at least three types of scenarios. In Case C, a criminal deliberately uses a firearm in committing an armed robbery, or some other act of violence.
Case U (unintended) includes accidental shootings, as well as crimes of passion that are not premeditated. Citizen catches spouse in flagrante, runs to retrieve revolver from kitchen drawer, and shoots both offending parties, in a moment of temporary insanity. Or curious children discover unsecured firearms, thinking that they are toys, and a terrible tragedy ensues.
In Case D, armed citizen deters would-be home invasion robber (or would-be rapist). When a typical American homeowner brandishes a firearm, and scares off a would-be home invasion robber, the homeowner is under no obligation to report that to the police. The number of criminals who seek hospital admission--or morgue admission--for gunshot wounds is considerably less than the total number of Case D's. This is why the Kleck study is so valuable.
Gathering stats on Case D's can involve a lot of work. You may need to do a carefully crafted telephone survey, with a large sample size, rather than simply trundling down to the nearest university library, and exhuming the less-relevant published stats.
Strict Gun Control would decrease the number of Case D's, which translates into more Case C's, both of which are a bad results. But strict Gun Control would almost certainly decrease the number of Case U's, which is a good result. In moments of insanely jealous rage, some spouses would glom onto anything that could be used to inflict grievous bodily harm, if there were no firearms allowed in the home. But others would run out of steam before they found a sufficiently deadly weapon in the kitchen, or in the garage.
Putting the scenarios into perspective, Case U's are considerably less frequent than Case C crimes. And as our very own National Rifle Association points out,
"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."
This would likely increase the number of Case C's, which is a bad result. By the way, I'm not wild about their "cold dead fingers" slogan. For me, it applies more to chocolate than to firearms.
We should gather stats on cities, counties, states, and countries that have made big changes in their firearms laws. Then compute average violent crime rates for the 5-year periods before and after each big change, for each of these political entities. Is there a real relationship between the two? If we look closely, we may learn a thing or three.
Some firearms regulations for our de facto citizens' militia are reasonable, as well as being consistent with the 2nd Amendment. Who knows? Some of them may even put a small dent in violent crime.
Getting back to the dry stats, the Null Hypothesis is that stricter gun control laws have no effect on Case C. Can we reject the Null with 95% confidence? If so, would law-abiding citizens be safer or less safe?
Since I came up with the brilliant idea, I'll leave it to someone else to do the hard work in gathering the actual numbers. For the statistical analysis we could use a simple Sign Test, or some other nonparametric method, which does not make dodgy assumptions about Gaussian Distributions.
Although I do have a dog in this fight, I am open to the possibility that my opinion on Gun Control is mistaken. I say: Let's gather the necessary data, and let's do an honest analysis. If that falls short of statistical significance, let's put the burden of evidence on the residents of Happy Valley Estates. With a nod to Garrison Keillor, this is the perfect little world on the right side of the railroad tracks, where all of the women can speak French, the men do their share of the housework, and the children are never exposed to any discussions about effective self-defense methods against misunderstood violent criminals.
Handgun ban, anyone?
About dual use. It's reasonable for a hiker to carry a large-bore revolver for protection against Grizzly Bears in Alaska, and in parts of Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. Hunting with long guns is a popular pastime in the U.S. And sheep ranchers shoot coyotes in order to protect their flocks. In each of these three examples, the firearm could also be used for home defense.
Now suppose that we outlaw handgun ownership for all civilians.
What about that Alaskan hiker? We wouldn't want him to be eaten by a Griz, would we? Although it would be considerably less convenient than packing a revolver, he could start carrying a long gun for bear protection. But would the local game warden interpret that as hunting without a license?
A duck hunter's 12-gauge pump-action shotgun definitely qualifies as a dual-use weapon. But a .30-30 deer rifle is a mixed bag. In one respect, it's an attractive alternative to a 12-gauge, because the recoil is less. And yes, you could definitely protect your family with it, but here's the rub. Suppose that while the adrenalin is pumping, you shoot at an armed home invasion robber, and miss. That bullet is more likely to over-penetrate drywall and stucco, and to injure or even kill an innocent neighbor, as compared with a slower bullet fired from a .38 Special revolver, or with #1 buckshot fired from a shotgun. Is that what we want?
Larry's modest proposal
Hey Congress critters! Let's make it legal for women over the age of 19 to carry handguns--concealed or otherwise--in every state of the union. The new law would supersede all previous federal, state, and local laws, with which it conflicts. I call the proposal the Women's Concealed Carry Act (WoCC).
A few details. Show your driver license or other valid ID at the time of purchase. Run an instant background check if that software becomes available.
Require an approved handgun training course before, or within 60 days after the date of purchase, as condition for a permanent Carry Permit. (For the grace period, the receipt would serve as a temporary Carry Permit.) And no waiting periods.
Women who choose that particular option will have the Great Equalizer in their purse. They'll have an effective deterrent against would-be attackers. Of course, WoCC would not eliminate all attacks.
Realistically, most women would choose not to pack heat. Here are my unscientific, off-the-wall estimates. Perhaps 5% of American women would avail themselves of that opportunity if the law permitted them to do so. Since Britain is not a gun culture, the corresponding figure there may be on the order of 1%.
A woman who carries could enjoy safer evening walks, without the need for a well-trained German Shepherd Dog at her side. Her handgun, together with a 'Poker face', which accurately communicated a readiness to use the gun as a last resort in self-defense, would probably scare off most would-be attackers.
Like mountain lions, two-legged predators prefer prey who don't fight back. Given WoCC, a typical attacker, who is checking out a potential victim, would wonder: Is she or isn't she? That uncertainty would prevent some but not all attacks.
According to my reading, violent criminals share another commonality with mountain lions: They both have radar for weakness of any kind in their prey. The experts say that if you're not emotionally prepared to use the handgun that you just pulled out of your purse in self-defense, the criminal will sense your vacillation, will be very PO'd, and will attack with even greater violence. If you're uncertain about how you'd respond in that situation, you'd be safer with the German Shepherd.
My layman's opinion is that WoCC would be Constitutionally neutral, on balance. Here's the trade-off: We'd breathe some life into our moribund 2nd Amendment, but the Equal Protection Clause would take a small hit.
Who could be opposed to women protecting themselves on the streets of our fair country? It's a matter of decency. How would our nation's lawmakers vote on WoCC? They wouldn't want to be perceived as misogynists, would they?
Conclusion
There are something like 100 million firearms in the US. We Americans have a strong tradition of firearm ownership for self-defense, and for other lawful uses. Looking at recent precedent, there's been a decidedly underwhelming compliance with restrictions on so-called Assault Weapons here. Draconian firearms Prohibition in the U.S. would have unintended consequences. Some of them are even foreseeable, in the light of American history. Here's what Sembj has to say on the subject of Prohibition's Lessons and Gun Control. LINK.
One oddity of the criminal justice system in the U.S. is that firearms restrictions apply more to ordinary people than to violent criminals. Huh?
Here's what attorney Eric Puryear says about that:
How Criminals Serve No Prison Time for Illegally Carrying a Gun: Concurrent Sentences
To frame the Gun Control issue in my inimitably charming way: Would it be possible to sprinkle legislative Fairy Dust on the gun crime problem, and to make all firearms--except those owned by police or military--magically disappear, without trashing the U.S. Bill of Rights, and without reinventing GDR-style Totalitarianism? And considering the women's safety angle, would we really want to take all handguns away from civilians?
Copyright 2011 and 2012 by Larry Fields
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Will, Are you saying that the American Majority should continue to support the right of it's Minorities to legally own automatic weapons of war? Do you believe that gun control to curve minority gun violence and murder would be an attempt to take your gun rights, by the left or the government? Its not possible, but if it was possible that America's minorities would implode, and all that is left is the liberals and conservative majority. The UK would still have less gun violence then America because the majority wound be at war again.
junko
Must you always try to put words in my mouth? When you start out with "Are you saying...", that's obviously your intent.
Just state your own case. Tell us what you want. How hard can it be?
Actually, a fully automatic firearm (and sawed off shotguns) can be legally owned by a citizen, after a FBI background check and after paying a $200 transfer tax.
There are some 250,000 legally owned machine guns in the US. Only one has ever been used in a crime.
However, newly manufactured machine guns are currently illegal for citizens to buy, so you're not incorrect. And you are also correct that there's no major hue and cry to change that law.
Thanks for replying to my comment in such a considered and extensive way. I feel genuinely flattered. You make some good points, but I'm loath to intervene in this debate as I don't really know anything about it. As you know, the UK is not generally an armed country. Even the police don't carry arms (although since 911 you see them about at airports and railways stations). I don't know anyone who owns a gun. I think the murder rate here is increasing, but I wouldn't like to say by how much. Personally I'd be worried if there was a move to legalise guns here. I think the US is a different case as gun ownership is more widespread there and - as your Georgia example shows - responsible gun ownership can be a good thing. My favourite American author, Robert Anton Wilson, once formed a "Guns and Dope Party". You can see a video about that here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xsi3u0tIuk
Thanks again for mentioning me in your hub. A link would be nice. "CJ"
"Personally I'd be worried if there was a move to legalise guns here."
After guns were banned in the UK, it became a matter of skill and size. A few years ago, Scotland was named the most violent nation on Earth, because knife toting hoodlums began fearlessly roaming the streets:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/425796
As a result, the UK was considering a ban on kitchen knives!:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4581871.stm
Bans apply only to the law abiding, because criminals, by definition, pay little attention to the law. Lawlessness in the UK is on the increase, because their victims are now helpless.
Lots of ordinary items can be used as weapons. A sharpened screwdriver makes an excellent stiletto. Al Capone murdered his enemies with a baseball bat.
But the only weapon that makes the ordinary man or woman equal to a big, strong, and skilled attacker is a firearm. Forbidding the average person to own one gives all the advantage to the criminal.
Great hub Larry. Great comments as well. I do have a question though, who is the big push behind gun control? I personally think this issue is a big smokescreen but I need to take more time to investigate it.
I don't like guns.
However, as long as their manufacture is legal anywhere in the world, I think private citizens need the right to own them. I do not own any weapons, but I find comfort in my neighbor's possession of firearms.
My preference would be to make them illegal. That's impossible for an over powering number of reasons, so I will always vote with the "gun nuts" on this subject even though I likely find every other position they might hold as disgusting.
Not a chance. Maybe "Neighbors with guns are very nosy" :-)













WillStarr Level 8 Commenter 6 months ago
Gun crime soared in the UK after the gun ban:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/264081
The US has a high gun crime rate, while heavily armed countries like Sweden, Switzerland, and Norway do not.
The difference is the large US minority population, that those countries do not have. Nearly 70% of all gun murders in the US are committed by young black and Hispanic males, who make up less than 2o% of the population.
Factor out the minority crime that the UK does not have, and the gun crime rate is comparable, even though guns are legal here and illegal there.